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« on: December 12, 2009, 06:13:46 PM »

I'm posting this on a few forums and see my last thread in this section was for a similar incident. Here goes friends.

Not that this should be a big surprise. Ebay protects buyers to the ends of the earth but for the sellers - good luck.

Speaking of luck, with any, we'll recoup our funds this time as the merchandise is long gone.

Here's what happened. Some of you may remember when we ran into the large collection of World Paper Money. Much of it went on ebay and some did very well.
One guy bought three of the notes. Total price over $500. He used Paypal via his credit card. Notes were shipped REGISTERED.

Then he reversed his credit card charges through the credit card company. Paypal came in and took the funds from our account. At the time it originally happened we had "swept" the Paypal account. In other words it was transferred and our Paypal account was at zero.
Well, the boss had a hot deal cooking and the buyer paid with Paypal. What could we tell the guy? We didn't want the money?
The minute his funds hit, Paypal yanked the money from us to cover the scammer.

The boss and I just heard of this today. The sale was in October. Scott (my coworker) has been trying to hash it out that long.
As I mentioned it was sent REGISTERED. We have the signed delivery confirmation and a copy has been forwarded to Paypal/Ebay.
Has Paypal cheerfully refunded us? Of course not. They are now battling the credit card company involved.
Maybe my thinking is a bit messed up here but considering that we have given proof that the notes were received it should no longer be OUR problem. Paypals baby now.

I might add that the buyer has been kicked off of ebay and we are one of THREE that we know of that he did this with. One of those folks actually contacted Scott about it.

Hmm... a pattern here? Maybe the sellers are telling the truth? Seems you gotta protect those buyers (and they should) but sellers need a bit more consideration as well.
How many legit sellers that have been in business since before the internet existed have gotten burned? I really wonder.

Monday Scott is going to take it a step further. He's going to the post office to see what we have to do to file mail fraud charges (if it's possible). Maybe that will wake this piece of garbage bidder up.

Thoughts, opinions and any advice are welcomed.
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2009, 06:43:50 PM »

Wow. Thats ridiculous. Its stories like this that keep me away from ebay.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2009, 08:51:12 PM »

If you got the guys address I think somebody needs to be knocking on his door.  Angry
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2009, 11:07:54 PM »

I have been a victim a few times of either
1. I never got the package
2. it came empty

Now,for those that have received anything from me, it is sometime nearly impossible to open my packages, take out the coins, and then send it on its way.  Yet, ebay sides with the buyer.  I once shipped a box of pennies (the $25 box) in a flat rate box, packed up tight as can be with tons and tons of tape.  buyer says it never showed up.  Hmmmm, flat rate boxes just do not go missing.  no choice to refund the buyer. 

Now to be fair, I have had packages show up to me that have been emptied, damaged, pilfered, etc.  As well as one that never showed up.  Even so, whenever I get a claim like that, I am skeptical.  What does this have to do with this thread?  Clembo's point being that seller takes all the risk and while yes, there are dishonest sellers, there are also dishonest buyers
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2010, 12:44:18 PM »

Clembo:
 So, what happened?


Any updates?
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« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2010, 02:03:58 AM »

Dan,
  It's a shame that PayPal's reputation is now in the sewer!

If I were you,I'd close both my accounts on FleeceBay & PayPal.

Have a read here; http://www.ic3.gov ,here; http://www.paypalwarning.com ,& here; http://www.ripoffreport.com .

You should file a report with Ripoff Report to let them know.

Aidan.
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 05:12:38 PM »

Well folks the "verdict" came from Paypal today.

Knowing that we are in the right they said tough beans basically. My boss loses the money even though we have proof that the guy received the goods.

Protect that buyer know matter HOW crooked that buyer may be.

Makes me sick!
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 05:32:39 PM »

Dan,
  If I were you,I would get your boss to hire a lawyer,as both FleeceBay & PayPal need be sued.

You should file a complaint with the office of the Attorney-General in your state,& a complaint should be filed with the Attorney-General in Washington,D.C. as well.

I reckon that you should also inform your state's Congressional representatives & Senators as well.

FleeceBay's abominable business practices need to be nipped in the bud,as they've been fleecing far too many people for far too long.What PayPal has done is nothing but straight out theft.

Aidan.
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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2010, 07:25:56 PM »

Can't say I disagree with you Aidan but it's up to my boss.
Pursuing legal action gets expensive, my boss is cheap and getting on in his years.

This is why they get away with this stuff.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2010, 07:35:18 PM »

Dan,
  Both you & your boss should discuss his case,then get the paperwork together,then you should file a case with the Attorney-General's office.

The Attorney-General should prosecute both FleeceBay & PayPal under the state's fair trading legislation.

Alternatively,have a look at my discussion about taking legal action against FleeceBay in Europe.That's a process you should also take,& it won't cost you anything.

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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2010, 03:26:13 PM »

Wow, makes me think about using the two.   Angry
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