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« on: January 13, 2010, 04:30:14 AM » |
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How many of you are in agreement with me that FleeceBay (a.k.a. eBay) & PayPal is a 100 Trillion Ton gorilla that IS a massive scam?
The time for all 51 Attorneys-General in America to prosecute FleeceBay & PayPal for breaching the fair trading laws in every state in America,plus the 5 overseas territories is long overdue! FleeceBay also needs to be sued in every country that they have branches in.
For far too long FleeceBay has been failing to co-operate in the fight against fraudsters & scammers,especially in relation to the numismatic community.As for PayPal,they've also been allowed to get away with straight out theft - aided & abetted by FleeceBay,who owns PayPal!
Aidan.
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2010, 05:47:12 AM » |
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While I do not agree with all thier business practices, Ebay is like any other service company, you have a choice to use them, or not. if you do not like thier terms and conditions, then don't use them.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2010, 03:21:27 PM » |
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As I have posted elsewhere on this forum, I disagree. I've been happy with my experiences both buying and selling. I've had 291 purchases and sales, all with positive feedback. 100%
Yes, there are thieves and scammers. Caution is required.
We wouldn't blame the Craigslist if we had a bad experience - they are just the newest "classified ad system." I don't think I'd blame eBay. We can't really expect them to do any enforcement of some seller in Rumania, I think.
With diligence, lots of questions to the buyer, good photos, etc., you can help protect yourself. It's not trouble free, of course.
When in doubt, use escrow. Or don't bid at all.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2010, 06:09:35 PM » |
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As I have posted elsewhere on this forum, I disagree. I've been happy with my experiences both buying and selling. I've had 291 purchases and sales, all with positive feedback. 100%
Yes, there are thieves and scammers. Caution is required.
We wouldn't blame the Craigslist if we had a bad experience - they are just the newest "classified ad system." I don't think I'd blame eBay. We can't really expect them to do any enforcement of some seller in Rumania, I think.
With diligence, lots of questions to the buyer, good photos, etc., you can help protect yourself. It's not trouble free, of course.
When in doubt, use escrow. Or don't bid at all.
I tend do agree with most of this, but do believe that eBay tends to "ignore" sellers we believe are less than ethical. Thus, that is where due diligence of the consumer comes in. Note, this in my mind does not absolve eBay in any way, IMO |
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2010, 06:56:10 PM » |
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Keith, We had a very hard time on http://www.cointalk.com trying to get FleeceBay to ban the Savannah Scammer from peddling her junk a few years ago.Sometimes,FleeceBay would temporarily ban her,only to let her back on 2 weeks later to continue to engage in fraud. If that isn't aiding & abetting fraud,then what is it? That is why FleeceBay IS a scam! I wouldn't be too surprised if the Savannah Scammer was back on FleeceBay & continuing to engage in fraudulent activities. Aidan. |
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bilboleslie
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« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2010, 08:41:07 PM » |
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Well said. I've not been exposed to repeated scammers like some on this forum.
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BCNumismatics
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 09:07:26 PM » |
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I've had word that FleeceBay is in the process of upping their fees again.It will mean that PayPal will take more of a cut as a result.
I think that it is time for all the American members to inform their Members of Congress & their Senators.
Both FleeceBay & PayPal need to be subjected to tough regulations.
Aidan.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 09:23:15 PM » |
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They will raise the prices until sellers can no longer take it. Remember though, sellers will want to go where the bidders are, and right now, that is ebay. yes, they are raising prices, and I do not like it. They will price themselves out someday
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2010, 11:59:53 AM » |
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Too many regulations. When will it stop.
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2010, 12:10:56 PM » |
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Oh, I don't think they need more regulation. When service providers lose sight of their customers, it creates opportunity. There are other places where we can buy - and sell. Here, for example. Paypal is harder.
But with Paypal, we are losing sight of how hard it was to send money years ago. People used to use international money orders, or postal coupons or such. Expensive, hard to buy, hard to convert. We can pay five bucks or more for a cashier's check.
Keep in mind the fraud that Paypal and Visa have to fight.
What eBay and Paypal both need is not more regulation, but a healthy dose of competition.
That's what Microsoft is facing. They got arrogant and lost sight of the needs of their customers Of the last fifteen computers we installed at work, two had windows. The others use open code OS, like Linux. If eBay isn't careful (like forgetting their roots, for example) they will lose us all. I want to buy from individuals there, not from Walmart and major chains.
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2010, 12:23:08 PM » |
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The reasons why I have stated that both FleeceBay & PayPal need to be subjected to extremely tough regulation by the fair trading & competition authorities in America,in addition to being sued in every country that they have branches in,is for these reasons;
FleeceBay & PayPal have been abusing their dominance in the marketplace for years through their arrogant,abominable,& predatory business practices.
FleeceBay's claims that they can match the auction houses in terms of service & value for money is straight out bare-faced lies.
Banning members from refusing to take PayPal IS an illegal restraint of trade in every civilised country,which is grounds for being sued.
Aidan.
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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2010, 03:27:43 PM » |
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First, let me say again, there are a lot of things I do not like about ebay (another price increae, blind eye to fraud, etc), but I fail to see how one can take legal action against ebay when no one forces you or I to use it. They have a web site to faciliate auctions. They (Ebay) says, in order to use our site, you have to use our payment system. And they publish there fees for this service for all to see.
Are they a monopoly? Yes, do they take advantage of this? Yes. This is not some organizaton that has been around for 100 years and has abused it rights (read ATT long ago). they saw a market niche, the public wanted it and.. WHAM, there you go.
Again, I am not saying eBay is a 100% ethical, wonderful company. And I am not saying I am an eBay lover. Far from it. But, until the public finds, OT wants, another alternative, eBay will raise prices until someone else comes along and can, and here is the key, get market share. I can only thing of google in this case.
This is a case of eBay going as far as the market will bear
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2010, 04:34:31 PM » |
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Aidan,
I forgot this whole issue of requiring Paypal. That is illegal, and I'm surprised that the Federal government isn't all over them. Microsoft did that kind of "tying" and got nailed. It's also stupid.
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2010, 05:10:41 PM » |
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FleeceBay tried to impose compulsory PayPal on its Australian branch,until the Australian fair trading authorities got wind of it.Still,even Aussies get fleeced up on Aussie FleeceBay.
I think that it is long overdue for all 51 Attorneys-General in America to be informed,along with every member of Congress,every Senator,Vice-President Joe Biden,& President Barack Obama himself.
About Microsoft,they also got themselves in trouble in Europe as well as in America.
Aidan.
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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2010, 08:12:32 PM » |
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FleeceBay's reputation has now sunk lower than the sewer & down towards the Lake of Fire in Hell.
Oded Paz has now informed the members of the Everycountry Yahoo! group about FleeceBay's latest dirty tricks.
This time,it is about restrictions on what you can say in your listings about insurance charges.
If that isn't totally ridiculous,then what is it?
Aidan.
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